DAY SIX - Maintenance Order

[Visorslash]

Originally Posted by guiri

Expected in what way? You voted both Raven and Lightfoot, as well as Dizzy and Vanta.

Will you answer blade’s question: rank your top three candidates, and which of the remaining two is your strongest Town lean?

Seems reasonable, let’s just be sure she can make an informed decision and I’d be happy for blade and TexCat to assist.

I meant the night results

Might answer later when I've had time to think on it a bit more

[guiri]

@Vanta, does the death of Prof. P. change your stance in any way on your claim?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I have said I trust SilverJan
BUT she doesn't know anymore than the average Joe (myself included*)- and I wager she will say the same herself.
_{*maybe not about me but that s her option}

You wouldn't lose that bet. I have been wrong so often. I agree that Town has to stay together toDay. It will be so much more noticeable if scum do try anything then. I also think the multi votes make it easier for scum to hide so perhaps we should just vote for one person. Anyone who has played scum with me before will know that I would suggest just splitting Towns vote at this point and make damn sure you are around at EOD to change your vote. I think that's what scum will try and do and we have to stop them.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by guiri

Expected in what way? You voted both Raven and Lightfoot, as well as Dizzy and Vanta.

Will you answer blade’s question: rank your top three candidates, and which of the remaining two is your strongest Town lean?

Seems reasonable, let’s just be sure she can make an informed decision and I’d be happy for blade and TexCat to assist.

As long as your not scum trying to influence me. I will read a lot more before I vote, I don't know anymore than the rest of Town but we DO need to stick together.

[Silverjan]

At the moment my tope scum leans are LightFoot, Dizzy and Vanta. I know Vanta isn't a 'Dafoe' but I find her role odd (not scummy in itself) and I think she is posting only to avoid suspicion.

Stuff it



Her and Dizzy just seem so entwined and I really think they are scum buddies.

[Volfoni]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

can you elaborate on this?
I got lost

I was bored and wanted fun. It fell flat because I was alone itt lmao. story of my life.

[Volfoni]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

guiri2
volfoni
lightfoot
colby
dizzy
visorslash

This is the six Dafoes, right? So here is my ranking from town to scum.

volfoni>colby>dizzy>guiri>LightFoot>Visorslash

Visorslash because, as I said a couple of days ago (or maybe it was Night), there are some people who you just don't expect to be around by D6, and Visorslash is one of those. And he said very early on that he would be a poor wolf if he couldn't fake townlike posts. I think he's doing that. My only evidence, though, is that he put on a big show D1 with a great number of posts and then really slowed it down the next couple of days.

LightFoot is also a player scum want to kill, possibly given a pass because of RL issues early in the game. But suspicious that she is still here.

Guiri, again has posts that pass the town sniff test, and is probably good enough to fake them. At least he has an excuse for not being killed off already because he was already killed off and then subbed back in. We just don't know about that slot.

Dizzy is hard to read, and (meta) gets killed off a lot and turns out to be town. in the last game (HOH) she almost got axed despite a clear read by the cop.

Colby even joked about how he usually gets killed off by D3, but (meta) he can sneak under the radar and be the last wolf.

Volfoni looks like he could also fake a town game. No meta.

Next, the non-Dafoes. Or do we want to just concentrate on who is a fake Dafoe today?

fake edit: Why do we let Silverjan decide? She's not the boss of me!

"Volfoni looks like he could also fake a town game. No meta." How is that a read even? I appreciate the TMIing but still lmao

[Volfoni]

Happy Birthday Meeko!

We happen to have basically the same age.

[Volfoni]

Vanta, where you targeted last night?

[TexCat]

Repeating my vote from yesterday...



Is there any reason to kill one before the other?

[TexCat]

Happy Birthday to Meeko!

[Colby11]

Meeko…

Enjoy your birthday!!! And win us some money!!!

[Volfoni]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Repeating my vote from yesterday...



Is there any reason to kill one before the other?

I think going LF will yield more info (re D5 wagonomics and Raven's flip)

[Volfoni]

I edited post 58 because it's obviously Meeko's bd and not guiri's lol. Less than 4 hours of sleep and I can't properly think. (check out me writing in phonetic a bit above )

[guiri]

I make it Lightfoot - 6, Dizzy - 4, Vanta - 1.

Maybe we set 3pm Thursday as the deadline for votes/cases and then choose one?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Volfoni

I think going LF will yield more info (re D5 wagonomics and Raven's flip)

If we are right about LightFoot.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by guiri

@Vanta, does the death of Prof. P. change your stance in any way on your claim?

No.

[guiri]

So you still won’t share your role PM?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

If we are right about LightFoot.

I think she’s scum but the fact that 10 of 11 players have her in the top three scum makes me a little nervous - everyone bar Bufftabby. Scum will bus, sure, but still. Dizzy only appears in 7 people’s list (not Lightfoot, Bufftabby, Vanta or Bladescape). Visor only appears in 6 people’s list (not me, Volfoni, Bladescape, Silver, or Texcat). Granted Bladescape and Texcat have not provided their ranked list, I’m just using their votes.

Since there are 5 scum, and at least 3 among the Dafoes, what about marooning one of the less obvious candidates toDay? YesterDay there was general consensus on Raven and look where that got us.

[bladescape]

Originally Posted by guiri

I think she’s scum but the fact that 10 of 11 players have her in the top three scum makes me a little nervous - everyone bar Bufftabby. Scum will bus, sure, but still. Dizzy only appears in 7 people’s list (not Lightfoot, Bufftabby, Vanta or Bladescape). Visor only appears in 6 people’s list (not me, Volfoni, Bladescape, Silver, or Texcat). Granted Bladescape and Texcat have not provided their ranked list, I’m just using their votes.

Since there are 5 scum, and at least 3 among the Dafoes, what about marooning one of the less obvious candidates toDay? YesterDay there was general consensus on Raven and look where that got us.

Yesterday I was trying to get Lightfoot voted.

Like I was also doing the day before.

And also Lightfoot was in the lead the majority of the day iirc. So not a consensus on Raven at all.

[guiri]

Yesterday 10 of 13 players ended up with a vote on Raven, that’s what I meant by consensus.

We’ll see how the votes go, and if people put their money where their mouth is.

[Volfoni]

Originally Posted by guiri

Since there are 5 scum, and at least 3 among the Dafoes, what about marooning one of the less obvious candidates toDay? YesterDay there was general consensus on Raven and look where that got us.

Posting tallies and recap ISO is all well and nice but I would kill you on that post alone.

[Volfoni]

Like ultimate respect for your play, wolf subs are gross tbh

[Visorslash]

my initial thoughts that out of the dafoes

me
volfoni

------
dizzy
lightfoot
guiri2
colby

(unordered)

if volfoni is a wolf wp i guess, prob overlooked defending me too much in a high leverage spot

guiri 2 hard to parse, definitely FEELS different to guiri one, i know late game sub, has to play different etc but just doesnt feel like the same player and i kind of feel that in an alignment sense

unfortunately that means if that is correct and there are only 3 wolf dafoes

then one of colby, lightfoot and dizzy have to be a villager and idk if that'll work lol

i think guiri is still probably more villagery than the other three alone simply because some sort of actual solving even if a lot of it is more IIOA

so basically, my plan is to hope we hit today and then once we have some proper flips, do some analysis of interactions from earlier days

obv i hope there are 4 wolf dafoes and im right on volfoni but i guess we will see

feels like a bad clear but its lylo sometimes you have to roll with things

[bufftabby]

Originally Posted by bufftabby

Welp, I guess we for sure won't be considering a vote on the Prof now.

Okay, that last line made me snort.

No, I had used the order of the list of remaining claimants in my original post. I want to look at the reasoning (or lack thereof) on raven voters and see if that affects the strength/order of my leans. Then I will follow The Bladescape Method. I should be able to do that tonight.

First, thoughts on Raventhief voters:

raventhief (10): Colby(155), Visor(315), Guiri(323), Prof. P(374), Vanta Black(539), Volfoni(559), Dizzmrslizzy(794), Meeko(795), bufftabby(805), Lightfoot(807)

Colby(155)
Votes for 7 different people in a game with only 5 scum. Still doesn’t trust the Prof.. Didn’t like this yesterDay, don’t like it toDay. If there were reasons given later, I haven’t seen them. But this vote was good enough to stay all Day long.

Originally Posted by Colby11 For right now… I feel kinda dumb going after SJan. And it seems that Prof’s claim somewhat confirms SJan, though I still don’t trust his claim 100%. It’s not you Prof., it’s the way the role was written… Visor(315) In line with my reasoning. She just…dropped off, without actually going AWOL ala our subbed player. Originally Posted by Visorslash raventhief gone very quiet also she didnt try anything silver, she scumread swammer all day and even got on my case for having the opposite read to her

Guiri(323)
Didn’t see any reasoning nearby on this one either. Reasons given for LF, but not for Raven

Originally Posted by guiri Is there already an ISO on Dizzy (154 posts) or Vanta (55 posts)? Putting my money where my mouth is:

Prof. P(374)
Despite what some people have bizarrely pushed, obviously nothing suspicious here.

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle Thanks to Volfoni and guiri for the advice for who to investigate toNight, especially since my own choices have been, er, amazingly synchronicitous with the ensuing reveleations.

Vanta Black(539)
I’ve been clear about my suspicion of Vanta, but I can’t fault this particular vote. It’s so close to the same reason many of us made the vote.

Originally Posted by Vanta Black One small series of posts that looked like she was playing the game, and then not much. I have also decided that Colby and Bufftabby are not s/s. But I am vacillating on which one is the baddy. It looks like Colby has 3 votes, Dizzy, LightFoot, and Meeko. And bufftabby has two, Colby and Meeko. Bufftabby voted Colby for what looks like a misunderstanding of one of his posts, and then unvoted, otherwise it would look like a mutual OMGUS. Some of Colby's earlier posts were also kind of suspicious, but he's looking better lately. But hey, multivote. And see what develops.

Volfoni(559)
Same as Vanta above, though I’ve been clear that I find Volfoni townie AF.

Originally Posted by Volfoni Mindmeld with blade here. Like she talks in lenght about 5 players and manage to not out a single read. Originally Posted by Volfoni

Dizzymrslizzy(794)
I would say that “feels” don’t really help, but cases haven’t gotten us too far either, so.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy I’m going to do this now I’m being a shitty Mom and sitting having a lunch date with my 13 year old worried more about the state of this game than him. Dizzy out for now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy You just voted one of them, why? Because They are both the maroon leaders. I’m probably not around EOD, and I’d rather not be marooned if shenanigans fall my way. Why one over the other? My case on both are “feels”. I don’t have a strong feel on either of them but slightly scum sided. Raven is more so on that, I’ve pushed her all game to be more present, hense why I chose Raven over LightFoot. Vote on both? I’m fairly confident on my lock 4 I posted above. The 5th slot is open to a bunch of players. Voting both doesn’t fit in my matrix. I don’t have a vote on LightFoot at this time. As I said I have little confidence in the 5th slot, hense I want to move the vote away from BOTH of them. I also still suck as a mom and am still here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Meeko(795)
I don’t like the reasoning of not wanting to be opposite of “what the game has considered to be quote unquote ‘good for town’”. That sounds like going along to get along.

Originally Posted by Meeko Hopefully this gets in before the shenanigans. All of this based on what the game has considered to be quote unquote "good for town". I do not want to be opposite to that.

bufftabby(805)
Hey, I know her. I still think raven was posting just enough to stay alive, it just wasn’t AI.

Originally Posted by bufftabby Jumping off of this post for convenient list purposes (sorry visor, not giving you goatest of all time cred): In our Dafoe-claimants, I feel real good about marooning: raventhief -- toDay's posts have been to vote and then unvote Colby, game mechanics talk, and fluff. Just posting to post, not helping AT ALL. With the limited numbers of scum, their prime directive is to Stay Alive, and that seems to be all that is happening here. colby--toDay's posts have been to vote every dafoe claimant, to cast aspersions on prof, to unvote vanta based on the "claim", to walk back those aspersions, and some frustrations with the setup (?) and with being voted; this is more content than what has come from raventhief toDay, but I don't like the aspersions, and I don't think vanta has posted anything to merit unvoting, but I do see why a scum Colby would want to unvote a scum Vanta at the earliest feasible opportunity when vanta is gaining traction

Lightfoot(807)
This may have been a purely self-saving vote, but self-preservation is not AI.

Originally Posted by LightFoot this slot is milktoast -If you are really a Dafoe I feel your frustration but you haven't convinced me or others magic bag ain't cutting it - and too many are letting it slide.

[bufftabby]

I’m leaning toward 3 scum Willems and 2 scum claimed PRs.

Top 2 Willems:
colby
dizzy

I’ve said before, if Colby is scum, Dizzy is scum, with manufactured static between the two. I still think that. If not for those interactions, I’d still think Colby was scum, but I might be closer to neutral on Dizzy. It’s like a conspiracy theory, except I’m (maybe) not crazy.

Really close to a three-way tie, but in order:
visorslash
lightfoot
guiri2

I’m really hard-pressed to choose a scum in the group above. I know Lightfoot has been a target as of late, but I…just am not seeing it? I didn’t like the delayed Dafoe claim, but I don’t even have a conspiracy theory to explain what scum could gain from doing that instead of claiming it fairly quickly. I am open to convincing, since everyone else seems to be seeing something I’m not. It’s like the opposite of my Meeko wavelength that no one else seems to be on, which is weird as heck to me, but okay then.

visorslash only edges above the others because of the captain stuff and the loose cannon vibe. At the same time, I’m loving the loose cannon vibe on a personal level, so if that’s just like, your deal, don’t ever change. I think meta on you would be really helpful for me reading you in the future.

guiri2 comes across as careful and calculating. Is that pro-Town caution and calculation? Entirely possible. I made a mistake by vigging guiri1, I’m real reticent to chance making the same mistake again.

Volfoni

If volfoni is scum, I’ll eat a tiny decorative hat. Town vibes and solviness all the way.

non-confirmed PRs:
I firmly believe in Jan, and remain pretty solid on the Mason claim of texcat and bladescape. However.

Due to the timing I don’t know if anyone saw what I posted after EOD yesterday but before Night was posted. I don’t wanna pick on Meeko while he’s not here, but I can’t shake that I find this late-breaking ‘btw I could’ve been JOAT’ piece of his claim far more questionable than lightfoot’s delayed Dafoe, but less suspicious than Vanta’s…whole deal. It’s not that the role/potential role itself is unbelievable, but the fact of the long delay in revealing this info.

I also have to wonder if Vanta and Meeko are scum together, and the JOAT part got tacked on yesterDay to make Vanta’s claim seem more legit, because those roles seem to be two sides of the same coin.

Here is what I posted yesterDay re: Meeko:

Originally Posted by bufftabby ugh. So, while we wait, there's something that started bouncing around in my brain while I was looking over the Day's posts earlier. I didn't want to post this before EOD since it didn't pertain to any of the vote leaders and would just be a distraction then, but now seems like a perfectly cromulent time. ...You're not going to like what I have to say about this. Folks, this is what's bouncing: Night One: Day Four: Now, we don’t know what Mahaloth’s PM said, nor any of the other deceased. Big Al is the only one who I recall that explicitly stated he had not been offered any recruitment attempt. We don’t know whether Mahaloth started out Neutral, or if he was recruited. However, if he had been recruited specifically via the Green Goblin Mask, I would expect that he would be wearing it in the color, like Dante was. So, I do not think Mahaloth was recruited via the mask, if he was recruited at all. Given that, assuming the mask-specific recruitment is real, the mechanism would really only have one possible avenue IMO, given that there are explicitly No Day Powers. That avenue would have to be that once Dante dies, the mask automatically goes to a recruitable individual, purportedly Meeko. Here’s what we do know: “There are some mechanisms by which alignment may change, but absolutely never without the active agreement of the player in question.” -- the Rules Dante’s death reveal explicitly states that he was the Green Goblin. Mahaloth’s does not. Here’s what we don’t know: Whether those alignment changes are the result of an individual or group’s active recruitment If an individual or group was recruiting, which individual or group was recruiting Whether any non-Town was offered recruitment (I am making an assumption here that Town would have shared this, particularly as we were rubber-stamping Meeko into the Captaincy, as well as when we were deciding to revoke that rubber stamp) What the actual method of recruitment/alignment change is So here’s where I’m going with all this. We are supposed to believe that: Either Meeko was the only recruitable Town member Or Mahaloth was Town until he was recruited AND received serial killer powers specifically rather than “a bunch of powers” a la Meeko Regardless of original alignment, mahaloth was recruited via the mask meeko rejected, but did not receive the same mention of it in his death scene that Dante did Or mahaloth started as Neutral Serial Killer and that alignment had nothing to do with any form of recruitment Which leads me to: AND that Meeko believes he was being recruited to become a JOAT specifically, but has not described the offer exactly as such until toDay, when it makes his claim seem more in line with everyone else’s AND that Meeko, who explicitly wanted an “epic” game, turned down a chance to become a Neutral JOAT, along with powers which he could have then used (if he wanted) to help Town win, while winning with the Neutral(s) as well, and remained Vanilla instead. This is admittedly a soft contradiction as I won't claim to know what goes through anyone's head, but the former would have absolutely been much more “epic” than the latter. I initially believed Meeko’s claim. Recently, I had not grown to disbelieve so much as I grew to question the claim. But the recent addition of ‘oh btw I coulda been JOAT but I turned it down to remain humble vanilla town’ (paraphrasing strongly, obvs), has absolutely strained my credulity to the breaking point. I know he previously mentioned that he would have gotten power(s) with it, but it’s this specific ‘btw JOAT, see I’m just like the other PRs’ addition that is not sitting right with me at all. With hundreds of posts and thousands of words in the game so far, how did this just now come up???

[LightFoot]

I am headed to the noose for delaying my claim
You are hiding yours

_{OOG corp has me so sideways I was in tears when I drove home}

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by bufftabby

I’m leaning toward 3 scum Willems and 2 scum claimed PRs.

Top 2 Willems:
colby
dizzy

I’ve said before, if Colby is scum, Dizzy is scum, with manufactured static between the two. I still think that. If not for those interactions, I’d still think Colby was scum, but I might be closer to neutral on Dizzy. It’s like a conspiracy theory, except I’m (maybe) not crazy.

Really close to a three-way tie, but in order:
visorslash
lightfoot
guiri2

I’m really hard-pressed to choose a scum in the group above. I know Lightfoot has been a target as of late, but I…just am not seeing it? I didn’t like the delayed Dafoe claim, but I don’t even have a conspiracy theory to explain what scum could gain from doing that instead of claiming it fairly quickly. I am open to convincing, since everyone else seems to be seeing something I’m not. It’s like the opposite of my Meeko wavelength that no one else seems to be on, which is weird as heck to me, but okay then.

visorslash only edges above the others because of the captain stuff and the loose cannon vibe. At the same time, I’m loving the loose cannon vibe on a personal level, so if that’s just like, your deal, don’t ever change. I think meta on you would be really helpful for me reading you in the future.

guiri2 comes across as careful and calculating. Is that pro-Town caution and calculation? Entirely possible. I made a mistake by vigging guiri1, I’m real reticent to chance making the same mistake again.

Volfoni

If volfoni is scum, I’ll eat a tiny decorative hat. Town vibes and solviness all the way.

non-confirmed PRs:
I firmly believe in Jan, and remain pretty solid on the Mason claim of texcat and bladescape. However.

Due to the timing I don’t know if anyone saw what I posted after EOD yesterday but before Night was posted. I don’t wanna pick on Meeko while he’s not here, but I can’t shake that I find this late-breaking ‘btw I could’ve been JOAT’ piece of his claim far more questionable than lightfoot’s delayed Dafoe, but less suspicious than Vanta’s…whole deal. It’s not that the role/potential role itself is unbelievable, but the fact of the long delay in revealing this info.

I also have to wonder if Vanta and Meeko are scum together, and the JOAT part got tacked on yesterDay to make Vanta’s claim seem more legit, because those roles seem to be two sides of the same coin.

Here is what I posted yesterDay re: Meeko:

I love how first I’m teamed with LightFoot and now I’m teamed with Colby? I seriously have to give a WTF on that read.

How about I’m simply teamed for sure with SilverJan, Blade, TexCat and maybe you.

I have no information that leads me to believe I’m teamed with Colby or LightFoot.

[LightFoot]

I don't know what I don't know
I do know that any power role that could have corroborated my claim has been eliminated
Vanta is playing an ' I'm not telling' game
Visor has been a bossy B all game
Colby wanted to maroon an uncontested Cop

Volfoni may be a deep wolf playing a shiney Townie ( it is working)

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Volfoni

Posting tallies and recap ISO is all well and nice but I would kill you on that post alone.

There’s consensus on Lightfoot, who’s the next candidate? There are at least two more in that pool, is it bad to want to talk about them toDay rather than toMorrow? I know perfectly well that would put the spotlight back on you and me, as well as the other Willems but we have 4 days left ToDay.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Visorslash

so basically, my plan is to hope we hit today and then once we have some proper flips, do some analysis of interactions from earlier days

Hope? Can’t you do a little better than that?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I am headed to the noose for delaying my claim
You are hiding yours

_{OOG corp has me so sideways I was in tears when I drove home}

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I don't know what I don't know
I do know that any power role that could have corroborated my claim has been eliminated
Vanta is playing an ' I'm not telling' game
Visor has been a bossy B all game
Colby wanted to maroon an uncontested Cop

Volfoni may be a deep wolf playing a shiney Townie ( it is working)

These posts make me feel a little better about the landslide. Lightfoot is clearly concerned about her being marooned, but gives no indication that she’s worried or bothered about the resulting game loss if she were Town, it’s only about her.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by guiri

Hope? Can’t you do a little better than that?

I mean, this is it, if she’s not scum it’s game over. If you’re confident she’s scum, why not to that analysis toDay assuming she does flip scum? It’s straightforward, right? You’re not lazy, this is not a good look for you.

D1 you and blade voted her. She voted you, Volfoni and McGinty.
D2 no-one voted her. She voted Pleo, Big Al and Prof. P.
D3 no-one voted her. She voted you and SilverJan.
D4 Bladescape and TexCat voted her. She voted Colby and you.
D5 she had 9 votes, everyone except Bufftabby, Dizzy, Raven, Vanta and Volfoni. She voted Raven, Colby and Vanta.

I think her scum mates are certainly Dizzy, Volfoni and Vanta, with Colby a strong 5th, and a question mark about you, given the non-stop distancing since D1. Where’s your hunger to win?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by bufftabby

Due to the timing I don’t know if anyone saw what I posted after EOD yesterday but before Night was posted. I don’t wanna pick on Meeko while he’s not here, but I can’t shake that I find this late-breaking ‘btw I could’ve been JOAT’ piece of his claim far more questionable than lightfoot’s delayed Dafoe, but less suspicious than Vanta’s…whole deal. It’s not that the role/potential role itself is unbelievable, but the fact of the long delay in revealing this info.

I also have to wonder if Vanta and Meeko are scum together, and the JOAT part got tacked on yesterDay to make Vanta’s claim seem more legit, because those roles seem to be two sides of the same coin.

I’m not seeing what you’re seeing, the JOAT terminology was tacked on but the additional powers bit was there in his N1 claimed PM from story all along, not a new invention or reveal:

Originally Posted by Meeko

Originally Posted by storyteller0910
Well, I didn't expect this to happen so soon, but:

When you return to your stateroom, something seems a bit off. You glance around and notice, propped up against your pillow, a terrifying green mask. Attached, a note: In case of boredom. Best, GG.

---------

You may, if you wish, don this mask and assume the role of the dearly departed Dante G. This will result in a change of your win condition and alignment. You will also gain a bunch of new powers and limitations.

Beware - once you assume your new role, you cannot go back! If you choose not to take on the role, you will not get another chance. If you don't respond, I'll assume you are choosing not to wear the mask.

Happy choosing!

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I am headed to the noose for delaying my claim
You are hiding yours

_{OOG corp has me so sideways I was in tears when I drove home}

So sorry LF, I agree that Vanta has been hiding her claim.



I wish you hadn't delayed your claim LightFoot, I really do not understand why you did it.

[guiri]

This was her reasoning.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I don't need a fake role PM I have mine from the Mod

I am watching the chips fall to see who is going to take a risk- if they haven't already.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

One ( or more) of the Dafoes are lying
I am a Willem Dafoe!

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I was waiting to see if 4 would claim before I did

Originally Posted by guiri

Why?

Originally Posted by LightFoot

My thought process on my claim:
I have never liked mass claims so I decided to make it more fun for me.
we knew we only had 4 true Dafoes.
I reasoned that scum would want to get their name in the Dafoe hat early on

by waiting until there were 4 claimed I then knew that one of them was a liar. and could focus on that pool.


If that doesn't make sense to you so be it- I am used to it

[Volfoni]

Originally Posted by guiri

This was her reasoning.

Tbh, this is not why she should be executed. This is pretty townie. setting a trap to reduce POE, doing it when it will get u sussed, posting it, standing by it, etc... it might be the towniest thing she has done this game.

Her lack of solving outside her Visor's tunnel is more concerning to me

[Volfoni]

I don't know why the software butchered the quote fwiw. It just did

[Volfoni]

OOG: hugs ur way LF.

[Volfoni]

also guiri, it's about time you realize I am the closest thing to a thread-spewed town slot.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Volfoni

also guiri, it's about time you realize I am the closest thing to a thread-spewed town slot.

Not sure what you mean by thread-spewed but I know you are widely town read.

As we discussed earlier, if you, me and Visor are all town, then Lightfoot, Colby and Dizzy must be scum - and that’s fine. The other two scum are between Meeko, Bufftabby and Vanta. Vanta I can see, for sure, but I don’t see Meeko as scum, and, apart from omgus, I’m inclined to believe Bufftabby’s claim - there was one kill, we have had no other vig claim. So then we need to look at the masons, with their D1 breadcrumbs and mutual confirmation, or worse SilverJan, with her business card. So you and Visor remain in contention. I dislike Visor’s “hope” post and my analysis pushed you away from Lightfoot and Dizzy. But that’s where I am now.

[guiri]

I calculate there are 462 possible scum teams from the remaining players, 56 if I exclude SilverJan, TexCat and Bladescape, and 21 if I exclude Meeko:

Bufftabby Colby Dizzy Lightfoot Vanta
Bufftabby Colby Dizzy Lightfoot Volfoni
Bufftabby Colby Dizzy Lightfoot Visor
Bufftabby Colby Dizzy Vanta Volfoni
Bufftabby Colby Dizzy Vanta Visor
Bufftabby Colby Dizzy Volfoni Visor
Bufftabby Colby Lightfoot Vanta Volfoni
Bufftabby Colby Lightfoot Vanta Visor
Bufftabby Colby Lightfoot Volfoni Visor
Bufftabby Colby Vanta Volfoni Visor
Bufftabby Dizzy Lightfoot Vanta Volfoni
Bufftabby Dizzy Lightfoot Vanta Visor
Bufftabby Dizzy Lightfoot Volfoni Visor
Bufftabby Dizzy Vanta Volfoni Visor
Bufftabby Lightfoot Vanta Volfoni Visor
Colby Dizzy Lightfoot Vanta Volfoni
Colby Dizzy Lightfoot Vanta Visor
Colby Dizzy Lightfoot Volfoni Visor
Colby Dizzy Vanta Volfoni Visor
Colby Lightfoot Vanta Volfoni Visor
Dizzy Lightfoot Vanta Volfoni Visor

If you are Town, and Bufftabby is the vig, the only combination left for me is:
Colby Dizzy Lightfoot Vanta Visor

[guiri]

Did I break the game?

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by guiri

Did I break the game?

Math!

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Colby11

Meeko…

Enjoy your birthday!!! And win us some money!!!

OOG

Came back with 150% of what I took.




Double Diamonds hit a 7, and Two double diamond wilds.

Found a real, real loose Bonnie and Clyde machine, that I was able to snowball bonuses into each other, and ramp up my bets, at the right time.

The table games, as always were over priced per hand. That, and the one 9/5 Double Double Bonus I was able to find, never really came on to anything.

In short, a slow and methodical climb, with me going back up to my hotel room to siphon off money, until I finally got to 150% ... and at that point it was you know. Enough.


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Looks like I have few things to weigh in on.

On the brief skim before I roll up my sleeves....

Yay Guiri for mathing the maths on the math thing!

BuffTabby is overthinking a few things. [[I don't know, can I call someone else and over thinker? That just seems like a such a me thing to do, overthink about everything. ..... I think.]]

[Vanta Black]

If you scream really loud the ball drops into the winning slot on the roulette wheel, or so I have heard.

[Meeko]

Can't immediately tell if the oversized instant, and immediate impromptu "Caring" about another player, and defneding them is scared scum, or a shade of ly/lo paranoia that I have never seen before / don't remember seeing.

To me, and to me in this game especially, the sudden defense and defending other players, at this stage ins the game .... is peculiar and odd. It has to be said. Not sure what to do with it, let alone, how to manifest any means to get others to act upon it, or even what those actions actually are.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

If you scream really loud the ball drops into the winning slot on the roulette wheel, or so I have heard.

Run Lola Run

A great film.

What mafia game was it, that I was in, where I quoted it, that one time?

Originally Posted by Meeko

"" The Ball is round. A Game lasts 90 minutes. The rest is pure theory. "" ?

[Meeko]

I'm going to get into this. Fair Warning.

Double warning. This one grew on me, time wise as I got into it.

At first, I was royally confused, as I took "Yesterday" to mean IRL, and not two game phases ago. And then, trying to quote both of these, and spoil BTabby for space.... it became a slog.

Related, you guys ran into ""Someone"" as I did a few phases back?

Fun Times.

I was > < close to saying that it was per our game specifically, and I was like, that [[The ""Someone"" Bug / Glitch]] has to be the ultimate super power in mafia. Good look quoting anyone! .... And that, while I can immediately see how Gastard it would have been to play "under" those conditions, I would actually kinda want to. As always, my safeword is canal water.

Originally Posted by guiri

I’m not seeing what you’re seeing, the JOAT terminology was tacked on but the additional powers bit was there in his N1 claimed PM from story all along, not a new invention or reveal:

Originally Posted by bufftabby ugh. So, while we wait, there's something that started bouncing around in my brain while I was looking over the Day's posts earlier. I didn't want to post this before EOD since it didn't pertain to any of the vote leaders and would just be a distraction then, but now seems like a perfectly cromulent time. ...You're not going to like what I have to say about this. Folks, this is what's bouncing: Night One: Day Four: Now, we don’t know what Mahaloth’s PM said, nor any of the other deceased. Big Al is the only one who I recall that explicitly stated he had not been offered any recruitment attempt. We don’t know whether Mahaloth started out Neutral, or if he was recruited. However, if he had been recruited specifically via the Green Goblin Mask, I would expect that he would be wearing it in the color, like Dante was. So, I do not think Mahaloth was recruited via the mask, if he was recruited at all. Given that, assuming the mask-specific recruitment is real, the mechanism would really only have one possible avenue IMO, given that there are explicitly No Day Powers. That avenue would have to be that once Dante dies, the mask automatically goes to a recruitable individual, purportedly Meeko. Here’s what we do know: “There are some mechanisms by which alignment may change, but absolutely never without the active agreement of the player in question.” -- the Rules Dante’s death reveal explicitly states that he was the Green Goblin. Mahaloth’s does not. Here’s what we don’t know: Whether those alignment changes are the result of an individual or group’s active recruitment If an individual or group was recruiting, which individual or group was recruiting Whether any non-Town was offered recruitment (I am making an assumption here that Town would have shared this, particularly as we were rubber-stamping Meeko into the Captaincy, as well as when we were deciding to revoke that rubber stamp) What the actual method of recruitment/alignment change is So here’s where I’m going with all this. We are supposed to believe that: Either Meeko was the only recruitable Town member Or Mahaloth was Town until he was recruited AND received serial killer powers specifically rather than “a bunch of powers” a la Meeko Regardless of original alignment, mahaloth was recruited via the mask meeko rejected, but did not receive the same mention of it in his death scene that Dante did Or mahaloth started as Neutral Serial Killer and that alignment had nothing to do with any form of recruitment Which leads me to: AND that Meeko believes he was being recruited to become a JOAT specifically, but has not described the offer exactly as such until toDay, when it makes his claim seem more in line with everyone else’s AND that Meeko, who explicitly wanted an “epic” game, turned down a chance to become a Neutral JOAT, along with powers which he could have then used (if he wanted) to help Town win, while winning with the Neutral(s) as well, and remained Vanilla instead. This is admittedly a soft contradiction as I won't claim to know what goes through anyone's head, but the former would have absolutely been much more “epic” than the latter. I initially believed Meeko’s claim. Recently, I had not grown to disbelieve so much as I grew to question the claim. But the recent addition of ‘oh btw I coulda been JOAT but I turned it down to remain humble vanilla town’ (paraphrasing strongly, obvs), has absolutely strained my credulity to the breaking point. I know he previously mentioned that he would have gotten power(s) with it, but it’s this specific ‘btw JOAT, see I’m just like the other PRs’ addition that is not sitting right with me at all. With hundreds of posts and thousands of words in the game so far, how did this just now come up???

First and foremost, What Guiri said here. Anything else is opportunistic. Full Stop.

As for the rest, I am going to pull out from the spoiled above parts I feel I need to reiterate, either for clarification, or to present an objection. Not a necessarily a full list, and I don't necessarily agree to everything else not presented in this space here, below the spoiled.


Meeko is speaking here ::
"" When I was offered the Green Goblin mask, as I previously stated, I "digested" the facts at hand, that I could go one of two routes. As I did not go the switch alignment, and gain JOAT route, I put that, for the most part, completely out of my head. I did not think it would be pertinent to anything else, as indeed I was dismissing that prospect wholesale. ""

BuffTabby has this aside ::
"" (I am making an assumption here that Town would have shared this, particularly as we were rubber-stamping Meeko into the Captaincy, as well as when we were deciding to revoke that rubber stamp) ""

as well as when we were deciding to revoke that rubber stamp

Wait. Sorry. When did townies decide to revoke the Rubber Stamp? And, for that matter, did TOWN even use the term Rubber stamp?

Or,

PIS SCUM SLIP?


BuffTabby Again, on a list of three items here ::


So here’s where I’m going with all this. We are supposed to believe that:


And, I think that option One and option Three from your list not only can happen together, but did happen together.

That I was the only recruitable.

Mahaloth started as a serial killer [[Note, I'm not stating an alignment]] that had nothing to do with recruitment, or JOAT powers, or any powers, offered in any arrangement beyond what would emulate a Vig kill, repeatable, or not [Who is to say?] '

In short, if Maha had JOAT powers, he strikes me as someone that would have spammed the hell out of them, and used them immediately, and every chance he could, after that. He strikes me as being reserved with he stirs the pot, but if he knew that he could get away with it // that no one else was "watching him" per se (Don't read "Watcher" or "Cop" roles into this) he would use JOAT powers without restraint.

We also had MULTIPLE Captain's reports that spelled out alignment of players. I think we are are well far enough into this game, to know that we can trust all of the reports. --- Typos being what they were, and accounted for - regardless.

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Meeko believes he was being recruited to become a JOAT specifically, but has not described the offer exactly as such until toDay, when it makes his claim seem more in line with everyone else’s[*]AND that Meeko, who explicitly wanted an “epic” game, turned down a chance to become a Neutral JOAT,



This is going to be interesting.

1. I'm not sure how you are using the phrasing of "believe" here. I follow you, and agree that, in hindsight, my role does more or less imply recruitment. That, that recruitment necessitated a JOAT, not so much.

1b. I did not describe the power as "JOAT" until now [relative 'then' / recent memory in our game] because I did not think about it in those terms. I was told that I didn't need to overshare my motivations, and that, doing so, actually causes more harm to Town than not. Dizzy said as much, .... and I think I've warmed up to that.

when it makes his claim seem more in line with everyone else’s


I covered this. This was exactly how it happened.

Originally Posted by Meeko

meeko - you're vanilla town BUT you may be given a choice of becoming a JOAT. Choosing to become JOAT changes your alignment.



FTFY.

Originally Posted by Meeko

As I just stated, I was deducing / summarizing a post I had gotten from story, before I declined the offer.

SNIP

This will result in a change of your win condition and alignment. You will also gain a bunch of new powers and limitations.


Obviously, it is up to you, to decide if that is as I described. I mean, it feels like it is a flavor of JOAT. Albeit, you know backwards from what I think the list of towns with PR s was getting at.

Bold and Italics added here. I did have the additional "backwards" aspect to this. That how I came across my powers was in a way "negative" to the rest of Towns. --- I'm not sure how to phrase this better. This informs that I Was the only recruitable and that, at least given how that list looks, story was assuming that I would take it. ..... In hindsight, I would have, and therefore, I'm not inclined to call that a faulty assumption. ..... All of this ""extra"" I had to undertake [Let alone Dante dying being assumed] strained me ""Seeing"" that I fit into the list that was being formed.


Ironically, typing in "Fixed That For You" admittedly with snark .... actually ended up fixing it for me, RIGHT AT THAT MOMENT.


But, Yes, I turned it down, in order to assure

1.A Captain Vote
2.That I would stay town

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turned down a chance to become a Neutral JOAT,

We don't know this.


along with powers which he could have then used (if he wanted) to help Town win, while winning with the Neutral(s) as well, and remained Vanilla instead.

Not sure we could know this either.

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This is admittedly a soft contradiction as I won't claim to know what goes through anyone's head, but the former would have absolutely been much more “epic” than the latter.[/list]I initially believed Meeko’s claim. Recently, I had not grown to disbelieve so much as I grew to question the claim. But the recent addition of ‘oh btw I coulda been JOAT but I turned it down to remain humble vanilla town’ (paraphrasing strongly, obvs), has absolutely strained my credulity to the breaking point. I know he previously mentioned that he would have gotten power(s) with it, but it’s this specific ‘btw JOAT, see I’m just like the other PRs’ addition that is not sitting right with me at all.


but the former would have absolutely been much more “epic” than the latter.



Post Hoc fallacy.

Everything you are saying here, is based on information AFTER I came forward with the information that I had, AFTER I ACTED, AFTER REFUSAL OF THE MASK to gain the Captaincy, FOR DAY 2.

Further, it does nothing to address the fact that I secured the Captaincy for Town, when it was an open question as to who, or how to even deal with that immediate question.

That the Captain's Report exists in this game, is perhaps the most Epic part about the game. Yours would have me be another Dante, or even, if you will allow for it, for the sake of this conversation, another Mahaloth. ..... BOTH DEAD. And, check this, both with a Loss for the game. [[Sorry guys, I'm not after you both on this one. No offense intended.]]

Opportunistic.

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But the recent addition of ‘oh btw I coulda been JOAT but I turned it down to remain humble vanilla town’ (paraphrasing strongly, obvs), has absolutely strained my credulity to the breaking point.


Repeating ::


I did have the additional "backwards" aspect to this. That how I came across my powers was in a way "negative" to the rest of Towns. --- I'm not sure how to phrase this better. This informs that I Was the only recruitable and that, at least given how that list looks, story was assuming that I would take it. ..... In hindsight, I would have, and therefore, I'm not inclined to call that a faulty assumption. ..... All of this ""extra"" I had to undertake [Let alone Dante dying being assumed] strained me ""Seeing"" that I fit into the list that was being formed.

[Meeko]

NETA : BuffTabby assumes that if I became a JOAT via the Green Goblin mask recruitment ::

That I would then become a neutral alignment.

AND that I could still win with town.

It is not a given that taking the mask recruitment would have realigned me to neutral.

If my win condition changes with taking the mask recruitment, then It's not immediately clear or given, that a town win means I would then also win.